the cartel, threatened by the cartel that if he didn't kill these people, murder these people, that he would be killed, too. that's what he says, so we take him at his word for it. and let's look at this politically and i think holly would agree, why wot border patrol get involved, why would the u.s. government get involved in helping as far as repatriation and as well getting him back together psychologically, emotionally. they feel that he was taken advantage of, as i think many of us do, despite the horrific crimes, because he was so young. my fear for him, the fear everyone may have for him, let's hope he wasn't so brainwashed that he had gotten positive reinforcement, a thrill from those killings, and in a time of stress doesn't revert back to that kind of behavior while he's going through the psychological rehabilitation right here in the united states. >> oh, my gosh, what a mess. and, holly, to you, he served three years in prison. do you think that that's an appropriate sentence? >> well, no, of course, i don't.